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[karmapolice91]

Nach dem Ariana Grande Konzert in der Manchester Arena hat es laut Spiegel zwei Explosionen gegeben. Es soll Todesopfer geben.

[Emslaender]

Mindestens 19 Tote und 50 Verletzte

[andyTT]

Mittlerweile 22 Tote und 60 Verletzte

[rogerhealy]

Wahrscheinlich werden die Opferzahlen im Laufe des Tages noch weiter steigen.
Es ist zum Kotzen.

Es gibt wohl nicht viele Songs, die sich mit Selbstmordattentätern befassen; dieser hier bringt es aber ganz gut auf den Punkt:

[MetalFan94]

schrecklich, einfach nur schrecklich ...

[ThomZorke]

Bon Iver tweetet wütend vom Flughafen. Fehlt nur noch ein "Danke Merkel!"...

[Ruby]

Glückwunsch, wenn er noch nie einen schlechteren Tag hatte.

[fipsi]

Gestern war die One Love Manchester Show. Es ist wirklich großartig, wie in der Kürze der Zeit eine solche Show mit 50.000 Besuchern auf die Beine gestellt wurde. Die Gästeliste war dann mit Marcus Mumford, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Robbie Williams, Coldplay, Mac Miller, Katy Perry, Pharrell, Liam Gallagher u.v.m. auch richtig großartig gefüllt. Vorallem aber hat Ariana Grande unglaubliche Größe gezeigt.

Liam Gallagher ist übrigens nach dem Auftritt bei Rock im Park direkt nach Manchester geflogen.

Ein paar Highlights:
Liam Gallagher and Coldplay - Live Forever
Coldplay - Fix You
Robbie Williams - Angels
Miley Cyrus & Ariana Grande - Don't Dream It's Over

Den kompletten Auftritt gibt es hier. Unglaublich viele Gänsehautmomente.

[Baltimore]

Gestern war die One Love Manchester Show. Es ist wirklich großartig, wie in der Kürze der Zeit eine solche Show mit 50.000 Besuchern auf die Beine gestellt wurde. Die Gästeliste war dann mit Marcus Mumford, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Robbie Williams, Coldplay, Mac Miller, Katy Perry, Pharrell, Liam Gallagher u.v.m. auch richtig großartig gefüllt. Vorallem aber hat Ariana Grande unglaubliche Größe gezeigt.

Liam Gallagher ist übrigens nach dem Auftritt bei Rock im Park direkt nach Manchester geflogen.

Ein paar Highlights:
Liam Gallagher and Coldplay - Live Forever
Coldplay - Fix You
Robbie Williams - Angels
Miley Cyrus & Ariana Grande - Don't Dream It's Over

Den kompletten Auftritt gibt es hier. Unglaublich viele Gänsehautmomente.

Musste gestern auch ganz doll an dich denken, als ich das geguckt habe.

Dachte da nur: Der arme Fipsi, der ist jetzt in Barcelona und all "seine Helden" sind in Manchester.

[ThomZorke]

Viele werden vermutlich schonmal über eine Daytrotter Session irgendeiner Band gestolpert sein. Wenn man aber den Ausführungen von Deerhoof glauben kann, geht es hinter den Kulissen bei denen nicht ganz koscher zu.

[SammyJankis]

TERROR ersetzen langjähriges Bandmitglied

David Wood, der auch bei Down to Nothing singt, is raus. Also vielleicht mehr DtN Shows

Ersetzt wird er durch Chris Linkovich, der bei Cruel Hand singt. Also geht wohl ab jetzt mit denen nichts mehr.

Eine Win-Lose Situation.

[SammyJankis]

Heftige Geschichte um Pro-Pain:

This past Monday night, Gary was the victim of a Robbery and Attempted Murder in Brussels. He was pick-pocketed of cash, credit card, and passport, struck on the head with an ice pick and then subsequently attacked by a gang of individuals. The police have confiscated more than one weapon and they have established the identities of some of the suspects. Gary was quickly admitted to ICU after suffering head trauma (including several fractures to his face and jaw) and massive blood loss. Since then he has stabilized and is trying his best to recover, but future surgery may be necessary. We regret to inform the fans that the shows scheduled for Roeselare (July 7th) and Osnabruck (July 8th) are now officially cancelled. We will make sure to keep you all informed of any other cancellations and on Gary's progress.

Thanks for your support at this difficult time.

Pro-Pain

[Quadrophobia]

Heftig..


In Other News: Benjamin Booker mag Ryan Adams nicht

[ArcticMonkey90]

Heftig..


In Other News: Benjamin Booker mag Ryan Adams nicht

wenn mann sieht was auf dem Festival am gleichen Tag passiert ist, wird sowas zur Nebensache. Bin mal gespannt ob der Ryan Adams darauf reagiert.

[TonyMac]

Heftig..


In Other News: Benjamin Booker mag Ryan Adams nicht

wenn mann sieht was auf dem Festival am gleichen Tag passiert ist, wird sowas zur Nebensache. Bin mal gespannt ob der Ryan Adams darauf reagiert.

Bereut er den Beitrag nun schon oder warum hat er ihn wieder gelöscht?

Hatte es vorher schon kurz überflogen. Was ist da am Festival sonst noch so erschütterndes passiert?
Aus dem Beitrag konnte ich nur lesen: Ryan Adams findet Alt-J kacke, deswegen findet Benjamin Booker nun Ryan Adams kacke.


Edit: Ich habe es selbst gefunden. http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Luftakrobat ... 26396.html Boa, fuck...

[Stebbie]

Heftig..


In Other News: Benjamin Booker mag Ryan Adams nicht

Hat sich dafür ja schon ein entschuldigt. Hätte er wohl besser nochmal ne Nacht drüber geschlafen

[SammyJankis]

Wolf Down Outing [tw: vergewaltigung, sexualisierte gewalt)

Heftige Vorwürfe, die ich allerdings in ähnlicher Form auch schon mal gehört habe. Allerdings über ein anderes Bandmitglied. Bin sehr gespannt, wie sich die Band dazu positioniert.

[Unterfangen]

Die Band hat sich dazu nun geäußert und löst sich auf

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You may or may not have heard of the accusations that are spreading around the internet about a member of our band. As it is a topic, that is very sensitive and important to us, we don't want to leave it without our comment. We want to express a trigger warning, as this post mentions sexual abuse and rape. Therefore, we are going to separate this introduction from the message itself now by putting some space in between.

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Last night, two womyn, who had been in different kinds of relationships with our guitarist Tobi, went public with accusations against him for sexual abuse and rape. We are writing this post in the knowledge, that the affected persons demand accounting from our side. Tobi had told us earlier and given his way of dealing with the accusations, we chose to let him speak:

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"I met the person that holds the accusations against me, last year in February. During that time, I have to admit, that my sexual self-reflection concerning the right approach to consensual sex had not yet been brought to the same level as my otherwise radical-leftwing convictions. I feel ashamed for that. Before having sex for the first time, we hadn't talked about our own negative experiences concerning sex, we hadn't talked about our wishes and, most importantly, about our personal no-go's. I acted nonreflective and without consideration of the consequences; it never came to my mind that it was wrong to think "if something doesn't please my partner, she will let me know", that the guideline shouldn't be "no means no", but "yes means yes" and anything less is in fact a "no". And I was as stubborn as to not simply accept her not feeling well about things, but keeping on discussing with her about it. So basically, during that time I did things to her for which I didn't ask for her consent, during otherwise nonverbally consensual sex. I am not going into detail out of respect for her own privacy. However, I never noticed that she was feeling bad and I feel incredibly shortsighted not having noticed. Some time later, she told me, that she had been a victim of sexual abuse and rape in childhood and encountered rape by another man before, while she was passed out drunk. She was the first person in my life, who told me about such things from a first hand perspective, so obviously (but yet so unknowingly hypocritical) I was shocked and didn't really know how to deal with that information. With great shame, I also have to admit that I didn't realize what my own behavior had meant to her until a few weeks ago. Given the fact, that we had been a couple for months after that, until this years April, having sex, discussing politics, feminist issues and even my behavior, going on holiday together and such, has nothing to do with a slow process of her realizing, what I had done to her. I learnt, that the persons realization of what abusive behavior had meant to her, can take a long time, even years.

As a consequence of that, I have to admit to have taken her accusations way too lightly. I had apologized to her and told her, I wouldn't make those same mistakes again. She even mentioned, she could "forgive, but not forget". Hence she broke up with me and as it was a slow process for her, too, she confronted me about it only by April - after months of having referred to what I had done as a "trigger", she now called it a type of rape. Being confronted with the term first, I was shocked and my reaction was defensive. By now, I changed my mind about it. Two weeks ago, we had a fight in which I used inconsiderate explanations, that sounded like a justification of my actions, but were not meant as such, so things started escalating.

These incidents were not the only incidents in my past relationships that I have to account for, there has been accusations about mentally abusive behavior from my side with other women, too. As woman #2 mentioned in the outing-post, I have to account for a very common problem in heterosexual sexual relationships, which is being a part of fucked up asymetrical power relations and expectations between man and woman. It feels surreal, that I've been calling myself a feminist for years, but played a part in fucked up patriarchal mechanisms and rape culture. A culture that teaches men to take "what is theirs" without asking and that blames women for the consequences. A culture that pressures men to take the active role and forces women to take the passive one. I deeply apologize for that.

I wouldn't ever want to justify anything I did, I would never want to be one of the assholes that deny or trivialise their actions. I take all the blame for my actions and I'm the only one, who is to blame.

It is incredibly painful to realize, that I have hurt womyn in such a bad way. I do realize however, that the pain I feel is ridiculously petty to the pain I inflicted. I feel deeply sorry in the name of all womyn who have ever been subjected to male violence. And I do think that the private realm is political, most of all being part of a band with political aspirations. I could never deny what I did, most of all because my moral and political principles stay the same, I still stand against patriarchy and I still support the feminist struggle, even if I had to realize that I have been everything I despised for so long, that I played my own part in a system that degrades women and is responsible for their death.

What I'm doing now is consulting a psychotherapist and reflecting on my own abusive behavior, educating myself about the topic, trying and learning about the correct way of having sexual intercourse in a consensual way. I will face the consequences of my behavior, I have to make sure that I will never again hurt another person in a similar way. The women I have been with recently can prove my honest and genuine intentions of accounting for my actions and can also prove that I am changing for the better. But it's still a long way to go.
If this sparks some discussion within the hardcore scene, it's long overdue. Sexual assaults at hardcore and punk shows are happening and have to be talked about. Verbally articulated consent is an important thing. Creating an atmosphere, that makes it easy to speak out doubts or rejections. An atmosphere where both parties know, that they're respected and that only "yes means yes". Everything I failed to create.

As a consequence of that, I will be withdrawing from my position as a guitarist for Wolf Down. Please take into consideration that this issue is a very sensitive matter to the women affected, so be respectful and think twice before posting."

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Even though Tobi informed us recently we as a band did not act public in respect to the victims. We wanted to leave the decision to them, since their voices are the ones that matter the most. We distance ourselves from his behaviour and stand with the victims. The consequences we are taking are not a reaction to the outing but a result of reflecting on the situation.

Now being additionally faced with the accusations against Sven we (Dave & Pascal) came to the conclusion that Wolf Down can no longer be a band.

[SammyJankis]

Die ehemalige Sängerin hat vorher noch ein Statement veröffentlicht, noch vor dem Post der Band:
Statement
Zusatz dazu: Der Post auf dem Instagrambild ist nicht von ihr.

Üble Geschichte und fragwürdiges Ende einer kontroversen Band. Das Hardcore Internet explodiert gerade auch.



Andere Geschichte:
Der Drummer von Eskimo Callboy hat gestern das Finale der "Bachelorette" gewonnen. Ich muss gestehen, dass ich die ganze Sendung geguckt habe, da meine Freundin mit der Bachelorette zur Schule gegangen ist und dementsprechend interessiert war. Und dieser Drummer war wirklich de vernüfstige und sympathischte Mensch in dieser Sendung. Wie kann das sein? Wieso spielt er dann in einer Band mit dem Namen Eskimo Callboy? Ich kann es einfach nicht nachvollziehen.

[Henfe]

Warum lässt man sowas nicht polizeilich/gerichtlich aufarbeiten?

[Stebbie]

Vermutlich: Weil gerade bei Thema der sexuellen Gewaltung und Missbrauchs eine gerichtliche bzw. strafrechtliche Aufarbeitung enorm problematisch und schwierig ist (für beide Seiten). Dennoch ist die öffentliche Anklage, wie in diesem Fall, ebenfalls nicht unproblematisch, auch wenn derjenige, an den sich die Vorwürfe richteten, in dieser Sache ja scheinbar sehr einsichtig ist.

[Gelöschter Benutzer 408]

Ab vom Thema: Ist die Art und Weise, wie die Damen schreiben eigentlich dieser Gendersprech, auf den hingearbeitet werden soll? Frage für einen Freund, der sich gerade übergeben muss.

[Stebbie]

Du meinst das womyn (wie es der Angeklagte verwendet) oder das ersetzten des ß durch sz?

Ersteres sicherlich, aber soweit ich weiß, wird der Gebrauch es sz innerhalb einer antideutschen Linken aus Protest und zur Abgrenzung gegen rechte Strukturen gepflegt (ursprünglich, um das doppel-s zu ersetzen, weil dies doch leicht zur Verwechslung mit der Schutzstaffel führen könne). Vermute mal, dass es daher auch irgendwann anstatt des ß verwendet wurde, um dieses Symbol zu kommunizieren.

Ein Urlaub in Skandinavien muss für die ja der reinste Horror sein...

[Suitemeister]

meiner ansicht nach ist das eindeutig der fall.

[ThomZorke]

SEH ICH NICHT SO.